What distance do you practice at?

["JJ"]

When you practice, either plinking or serious competition training, what distance do you practice? I have seen everything from 10 ft to 25 yards. I am refering to handguns only. There are some hunting handguns that you would stretch out the range on. I am more asking about your CCW or your "house" gun. When I see some of the pros on hear comment on thier groupings, I like to compare myself to them. I want to make sure I am comparing apples to apples.

[45Gunner]

Since most handgun fights are close range, I try to practice close-in tactics with a LEO friend of mine. He starts as close as 7 feet which I have also adopted. We then move out to 12 feet. After that, it is just target practice at 25 feet, 50 feet, and 100 feet.

What makes this challenging is we do more than just the full or modified Weaver stance. We alternate with Strong Hand and Weak Hand shooting. And we do it from more than just a standing position. Challenge yourself to any position that you think you may take during a gun fight. Hope you never ever need to utilize it but be ready if you ever did.

[KenpoTex]

Everything from a few inches (retention/ECQC stuff) to 100 yards or so. That said, the bulk of my pistol shooting is in the 3-20 yard range with a lot of it at around 15 yards (about the closest I'm comfortable shooting a steel popper with FMJ).

[KMO]

Since the OP states CCW & home defense as the basis for training/practice, I typically practice at 20 feet and closer. My firearms instructor cited a court precedent that established 21 feet as the distance that justifies the defensive use of a firearm, even if the threat is coming from a knife-wielding subject. So, 7 yards and in seems appropriate for personal defense practice.

[Silent Bob]

Mostly 7 yards, 10 yards, 15 yards sometimes 3 yards, rarely 25 yards (I can barely see the target at that range in the dim indoor range). On the rare occasions I get to shoot outdoors I tend to shoot at longer ranges like 25 yards and so forth.

[Laserlips]

JMOfartO:

I practice with my 9's and 45 from 7 yards, or less..

I practice with my 380's from 3 yards, or less.


I use a "point and shoot" at center mass technique, and I've been shooting for over 50 years and this is just what works for me. Might not for someone else.

My concern for any of my self defense weapons is more about RELIABILITY... Reliability is job one for me, and once I have determined I have that, all I need from my weapon is self defense accuracy..

Not saying I don't "appreciate" tack driving accuracy, as we all love the smallest groups we can shoot, but I believe for self defense purposes "self defense accuracy" is what you'd wind up with in a crisis no matter how inherently accurate your firearm might be.

For example my 9MM P2000sk (V3) is capable of amazingly small groups when fired by a competent shooter... Certainly more so than my 3rd Gen Smith CS9 (or CS45), but I believe in a real confrontation, using point and shoot methods both will do the job equally well.

Both the P2000sk and the CS9 (as with all my 3rd Gen Smiths) have been amazingly reliable.

I had been carrying my beloved LWS380 as my mousegun cc choice, but recently I bought a Ruger LCP w/CT Laser and that has really turned out to be a very good cc mousegun... Much easier to shoot than the smaller Seecamp.

I have recently read where using one of JeffSSig's custom fingertip mag extensions on the LWS380 really makes one easier to shoot, so I've ordered one and we'll see how that works. Can't hurt? ;)

Again in a crisis, "point and shoot" situation I'm convinced the smaller Seecamp will do just fine, but I must admit I enjoy having a laser on my pistol when one is available.

The Seecamp is significantly smaller enough that there will be times when just the difference in size between the LWS380 and LCP will dictate the Seecamp is the choice for that trip, but for the majority of the time the LCP will work just fine.

I like having both.. :D

Just personal opinion, no offense to those who disagree.

Best Wishes,

Jesse

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[bababooey32]

My firearms instructor cited a court precedent that established 21 feet as the distance that justifies the defensive use of a firearm, even if the threat is coming from a knife-wielding subject.

I'd love to see that citation. While 21 feet is often cited as "the distance at which an average man can close on you in 1.5 seconds", it is by no means a legal precedent that a man at 22 feet does not justify use of deadly force (what if the man at 22 feet has a shotgun?).

I would argue, that you should train to not let a threat get to 21 feet. If you wait until he is at 7 yards, the Tueller drill says you are TOO LATE!

[KMO]

I'd love to see that citation. While 21 feet is often cited as "the distance at which an average man can close on you in 1.5 seconds", it is by no means a legal precedent that a man at 22 feet does not justify use of deadly force (what if the man at 22 feet has a shotgun?).

Whoa tiger...I'll try to get that legal precedent for you, but my post in no way implied that threats beyond 21 feet would preclude a justifiable defensive response. Watch that hair trigger...;)

[evan1293]

Contact distance to 100 yards. 85% of my shooting is done within 30'.

[KingEdward]

bulk of practice from 3, 5, and 7 yards.



usually shoot about 1 box at around 10-15 yards.

[wyobohunter]

In town carry handguns:
-Springfield 1911 45 ACP = 0-25 yds
-Ruger SP-101 38/357 = 0-10 yds

Woods carry handgun:
-Ruger SRH Alaskan 454 Casull = 0-10 yds

["JJ"]

I'm still in learning mode! But I'm getting pretty good at 7 yrds with my .38. I will step back to about 15 yrds for a few shots. I want to make sure I have no problems walking before I start to run!:)

[Hook686]

10, 25 and 50 yards

[Buzzcook]

15, 20, and 25yds at the indoor range. Occasionally out to 50yds outside.

I print out my own targets on standard paper. I have problems keeping my shots on paper at 25 yards, so anything further is more just for the fun of it than actual target practice.

[bababooey32]

Whoa tiger...but my post in no way implied that threats beyond 21 feet would preclude a justifiable defensive response. Watch that hair trigger

Sorry chief. i guess I focused on this part of your post:

..a court precedent that established 21 feet as the distance that justifies the defensive use of a firearm,

[Blue Steel]

LINK: How Close is to Close, by Dennis Tueller (http://www.theppsc.org/Staff_Views/Tueller/How.Close.htm)

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I train from contact distances out to about 25 yards. Most work is 5-15 yards. I occasionally stretch to 50-100 yards, but I'm not sure I would call that "training", more just shooting for challenge/entertainment.

[igor]

This winter I shot half of our weekly IPSC club matches with my carry rig and 9mm compact. That's 2 to 30 meters distances. I like the idea of having the basics down pretty solid.

That said, we do separate defensive workouts too, and that means from contact distance to about ten-twelve meters only.

I try to emphasize barricade positions, really busy movement and use of cover when doing those. Really deliberate individual single shots, even if they're spaced at .25 splits. Must know that each shot was needed and understand where each bullet stops.

Then your imagination is the limit. Imposed-upon stress via some physical excercise, training buddy doing drill-sergeant style distraction or both. Using stage props to recreate daily settings, an in-car situation etc. Imposing angle rules to simulate lack of proper backstop. Verbalization. Decision-making games, also creating highly stressful situations which result in a no-shoot decision or escaping the situation.

[kraigwy]

Mostly at 25 yards, I play a bit at 15 yards, but when I start getting sloppy, I go to 50 yards to work on my fundamentals.

It is fun trying to hit my gongs at 100 and 200 yards when I really get to feeling froggie.

[Old Grump]

8 yards to 100 yards with everything I own, handguns, rifles, and shotguns. Both paper and reactive targets. Not as good or as fast as I used to be so I need the practice and it's a good excuse to get outside. Yesterday was 10 gauge day today was the old Marlin 60 day. I will try to get in some 45 ACP tomorrow if it doesn't rain.

[orionengnr]

Most of my shooting is done at 25 feet. I use a 3x5" index card with a 1" orange dot in the center. On a good day, I can clover-leaf five shots. Five shots in four seconds (range rules are 1 shot/second) opens that up a little, but not a whole lot. That is with a 1911. Yesterday I put five full-power .357 rounds into a silver-dollar size group from my S&W M-66 (shooting DA, five rounds/four seconds) and I was amazed--first time I've shot that thing in probably two years. Was thinking of selling it. Now I'm thinking of carrying it :)

I occasionally shoot at greater distances, but only very occasionally. I think I have tried 25 yards twice. Last time I tried, I put five on a 3x5 card, but just barely. One was less than half a bullet diameter, more of a "graze" than a "hit"....

[qcpunk]

KMO, I believe what you are referring to is the "21 foot rule." The 21 foot rule states that at a distance of 21 feet, an agressor with a knife, other handheld weapon, or fists can close that distance in 1.5 seconds, and it takes the defender 2.0 seconds to fire a well placed shot from the holster. The 2.0 seconds for a well placed shot is defined in the situation as trained police officer pulling the gun from the holster and placing a shot at center mass.

As for practice distance, I start my day with shots at 7 yards, then 10 and 15 yards. I would say the bulk of my SD practice is split pretty equally between 10 and 15 yards. Then I'll move it out to 20~25 yards for "marksmanship" practice; working on steady hands and sight picture at distance. That's also the distance at which my brother and I like to one-up eachother.

[TenRing]

With a two inch revolver, I usually start practicing at about 10 feet doing double taps and work up to the 25 foot range in increments and then back to 10 feet again.

I usually take some practice shots out to 50 feet but those are carefully aimed and slower paced. I don't anticipate taking many shots at 50 feet unless hunting squirrels but I like to know what I'm capable of with the gun/ammo combination.

[jmortimer]

Short barrel revolvers 7 yards/21 feet. Everything else varies up to 100 yards. Shotgun up to 40 yards with shot and up to 100 yards with slugs.

[zxcvbob]

Mostly metal poppers at 10 meters for fun, and 50 feet at standard Bullseye paper targets for accuracy. (almost all of it is with cast bullets loaded hot-for-caliber)

I haven't been to the range in a long time; may try to remedy that tomorrow unless Wife says it just ain't right to go shooting on Good Friday.

[Webleymkv]

The two shortest ranges I have available are 15 and 30 yards so the bulk of my handgun work is split between those two. When shooting my revolvers, I usually try to also shoot a cylinder full at 50 yards as well.

[raimius]

I do a lot of practice at 7yds.
When I go plinking, I'll often set up steel spinners at 25 paces (25 yds is where my targets are rated for .45ACP)

[exprt9]

+1 on the 3, 5 and 7 yards! For fun shooting i go up to 25 yards pistol shoot only. :)

[biohazurd]

Most of my handgun training and practice is defencive so i shoot with my CC handguns at anywhere from 7 to 25 yards. My higher caliber handguns .44 mag specifically may be longer distances (20-75 yards)

[N.H. Yankee]

50 feet all the way to 50 yards, I usually do about 50 rounds each at 50 feet and 25 yards as a mixed routine and finish with 10 shots at 50 yards. I have my own range so I can do whatever I feel like for that session.

[DiscoRacing]

Most generally...13yds.. Do quite a bit at 25yds... and for Deer hunting practice with my 629 at 50yds.

[mavracer]

I practice the most at 25 yards it's the max at the indoor range I shoot at. Outdoors I will shoot much farther last weekend I was shooting my 5" 38 Super at ~120 yards.

I've found (for me at least) the ability to shoot COM fast at 25 yards makes 7 very easy. COM shots at 7 yards don't always translate into hits at 25yards.

[skydiver3346]

1. Snubbie: 7 and 15 yards.
2. 1911& Glock: 7,15 and 25 yards.
3. 4" revolvers 7,15 and 25 yards.

[FM12]

Averages about 15 yards.

[dussandr]

.38 Snub: 7 & 15 yards.
Saiga .223 : Up to 50 yds (max at indoor range)

I don't plan on shooting my snub at ranges longer than 15 yards- if he's further away, he's no threat. I'm getting a membership at an outdoor range to stretch the Saiga's legs.

[ProjectCamaro]

I normally follow a lot of the training I recieved from the police department. I'll start at the closer ranges firing as fast as possible making sure all my rounds hit my target in the head.
Then I'll normally push the target back pretty far and do some bullseye shooting because you'll never know if you'll have a hostage situation where you'll have to make that one perfect shot.

[jaughtman]

is at 7 yards, and then I finish with several targets out to the max at my range of 25 yards for the accuracy part.

[B.N.Real]

Exactly what Silent Bob said in post 5.

[Deaf Smith]

For handguns....

0-4 yards hip shooting. Pure hip shooting with Glock 26 wearing a AACK .22 unit and the 9mm slide. Plus a Smith 34 2 inch snub .22 and Centennial .38 (my two may carry guns are a Glock 26 and Smith 642.) I follow up two hip shots with a two handed shot to the head quite often on single targets.

5 yards one handed shooting. Left and right.

7 yards on out.. some times way out, two handed shooting at speed.

The outdoor range allows alot of pivoting, kneeling, moving, prone, etc as we have a 360 degree range there. The indoor range is far more usefull for low light shooting and practicing he basics.

[ClayInTx]

I consider that from whatever distance an attacker will come at me that he’ll be within 10 feet by the time I have my gun out of the holster and aimed (aiming is perhaps a misstatement).

I put a sheet of typing paper chest-high on a high stump at 15 feet and then draw and fire trying to put two shots somewhere on the paper. These are controlled trials without the stress of an actual situation and are done with mental preparation that I will draw and fire but with my hands in a normal position and not on or near the gun. I don’t use the sights, I don’t even elevate the gun above waist level.

I have a Crimson Trace on the two guns I use for this but have found I can hit the paper and do it quicker by ignoring the dot.

I understand the CT is a valuable tool if someone knocks me down and I have to fire from an extremely odd position but have found no volunteers to help me practice this.

[bapfreak]

I practice at a variety of distances, but rarely 25 yards. I greatly respect people who can make great groups at 25 yards, but that is not me. I usually limit distances to 25 ft. Most the time I practice at 5 to 10 yards. That may seem close, but if you can't group well at that distance than you can't group well at 25 yards. In CCW classes the greatest distance is probably 25 ft that I have seen. Most the time CCW classes shoot at a distance of about 10 ft. In reality most handgun fights are close. Plus, unless you are practicing for a target competition, you need to be able to group decently at medium to high speed under stress.

[Helios]

I typically train at 25', 50' and 75'.

Occasionally I practice as close as 5' or 10'.

I have gotten some funny looks and some funny comments at the range when I shoot at very close distances. Every now and then someone tells me "that's cheating, being so close, you can't miss!" Which I always reply, "That's the point!"

[Hard Ball]

Three yards to 100 yarda.

[david58]

I usually start at 7 yards, go to 10, then to 20 or so. I am trying to get faster (mostly worked at 7 yards) and more accurate (shooting the longer distances).

I also have purchased a 22 pistol to do much of my training with - pressing the trigger is pressing the trigger, and this way I don't get as tired. Or as broke.

[vytoland]

25 to 30 feet, single hand grip

[gryphon1911]

I practice from contact distance to 25 ft. The longest line of sight in my home is 25 ft and CCW contact distances are between 0 and 11 ft.

[darkgael]

Indoors - .22 and .45 - 50 feet.
Outdoors - 25 yards, 50 yards. Hunting pistols - 50 yards, 100 yards.
Pete

[ezenbrowntown]

I shot 7 yards and under. I frequently shoot 3 yards and in, in various directions on the move. I think there is something to be said for being able to point shoot on the move at close ranges.

[redstategunnut]

Powder burn distance to 50' or so, with the majority of shots fired within 10 yards. This is always from the holster and into a silhouette target. Depending upon where I am shooting, I try to not only come out of the holster but be on the move as I'm firing. I nearly never shoot at a "square range rules" facility.

[Enoy21]

Mostly 7 yards, 10 yards, 15 yards sometimes 3 yards, rarely 25 yards (I can barely see the target at that range in the dim indoor range). On the rare occasions I get to shoot outdoors I tend to shoot at longer ranges like 25 yards and so forth.


This is about the same for me. Almost never at 3 yards and very rarely at 25 ( only when I'm wanting to push the envelope.

Mostly 10-15yrds for me when practicing failure to stop ( I think is the name of it ? 2 COM and one Head shot )

Main reason for this is that 45 feet is a good distance to train for defense.... If I can hit reliably and quickly at 15 yrds then I will feel much more confident at anything closer.

[Firepower!]

Her is an odd one for you. I practice at around 65-70 yards distance. I figure if I can tighten up everything on the standard A4 piece of white computer paper at that distance, I wont have problem taking head shot at lets say 10yds.

[Omaha-BeenGlockin]

5ft to 150-ish yds

I might not get em at that distance but they will definitely be keeping their heads down---which is good enough for me to get away.

The 9mm is surprisingly flat shooting.

[FireForged]

As joe Citizen with no duty to run down and engage bad-guys, I seriously doubt that I am going to fire on anything 25 yards away. If a threat is 25 yards away, I will do my best to go the other way. If forced to fire on objects 25 yards away, I can hit it but I dont train for it.

My typical range day is:

3 yards (holster draw and fire from the hip)-strong hand
7 yards (single hand) -strong hand
7 yards (single hand)-weak hand
12 yards (both hands)-strong hand /weak supporting
12 yards (both hands)-weak hand/ strong supporting

12 yards (single hand/kneel)-strong hand
12 yards (single hand/kneel)-weak hand

3 yards (single hand / laying on back) -strong hand
3 yards (both hands / laying on back) -strong hand / weak supporting

[LordTio3]

The nearest range to my location is over an hour away. And when I do get to make it out there, there are special rules.

1. No guns in holsters. Ever.
2. No kneeling, sitting, or prone shooting.
3. No rapid fire.
4. No fun at all, ever.

If you don't want to drive 2 hours away and pay 3 times as much for a range session, you have to play by their rules. So when I make it out there, I use what time I have to practice what will give me the best benefit in the least time.
I am not a LEO or ex-military, but I do carry every single day. In my civilian life, statistics show that if I am in a SD/shooting scenario, it will most likely be within 21 feet, most often much closer. So I begin my range sessions like this.

1. 3 yard double taps from low-ready.
2. 5 yard double taps and failure-to-stop from low-ready
3. 7 yard semi-rapid fire for COM.
4. 10-15 yd target shooting for accuracy and "fine-tuning" my grip, trigger control, breathing, etc...
5. 5 yard double taps and failure-to-stop from low-ready.

I run my 5 yard drills twice because that's what I anticipate my probable zone of conflict to include in the scenario that is "most likely" for me. YMMV. You should always practice most at what you anticipate you will encounter; then push yourself a good bit further for fine-tuning and the "just-in-case" reasoning.

Works for me, and I get to get my practice in. I don't have nearly enough trigger time to be competant out to 30-50 yards with my pistol. I'm humble enough admit I'd be more of a liability at that range putting lead where it shouldn't go, if only by a few inches. For me, at that range, it's time to retreat. If I can't, I'm moving in for a better shot. Moreover, if I can do it, I'm going for my rifle. I'm a much better shot with it at that range anyway.

~LT

[SmithWesson357]

99.999% of altercations involving firearms are within 21 feet so keep that in mind while practicing, but use a combination of distances. And most importantly, learn to shoot without the sights!!!!

[booker_t]

For handguns:

Contact out to 7 yards for 95% of the rounds I fire, or blue-gun training.

4% from 7 to 25 yards (including any qualifying).

1% out to 50 yards or an occasional mag at 100yd for fun/challenge. When I saw hickok45 on YouTube plinking the 280 foot gong with his Glock 29 I had to try it!

For rifle:

5 yards 300 yards.


**additional point, 75% of my practice isn't in a "target stance." I like to mix it up a lot.. from kneeling to prone, from prone to modified prone, etc. It's like in basketball, it's one thing to shoot a foul shot, but yet another to set a pick, roll off, catch the pass and make the shot with a hand in your face. Practice how you play. Being comfortable shooting around cover is a major focus for me.

**I don't frequent ranges that don't allow holstering and various positions. I will often write a short letter to them indicating as much.

[JonnyP]

I took a look around my house (inside). When I go to the range (an indoor one) I place the target at about the maximum distance I would expect to have to shoot a BG if he broke into my house. Turns out it's about 15 - 20 feet. That's where I practice. Groups are about 3-4 inches on a good day. I'm happy with that. I've heard of people shooting 1" groups at 25 yards, but I take that with a grain of salt. My sights cover an area three to four times that size at that distance, so I question such claims. Any practice at that distance is just for the fun/challenge/entertainment.

I once had a friend who was an avid mountain hiker. He insisted I carry no less than a .357 magnum FMJ round (for bears) and had me practice shooting a target at 10 feet. I'll always remember what he said about that: "If a bear gets closer to you than 10 feet, the charge is real. You need something that will break bone and lots of it. Don't stop shooting until the bear stops." Sounded clear enough to me.

["JJ"]

With the bear at 10 ft and closing, I wouldn't have a problem with not shooting!! More like NOT ENOUGH AMMO!!:eek:
I like the idea about looking at the house layout. I do the same.

[ClydeFrog]

In his non fiction book Rogue Warrior, Richard "Dick" Marcinko(CDR, US Navy retired) the founder & first commanding officer of SEAL-6(now called DEVGRU/Development Group) wrote that the SEAL team members would shoot .45acp, 9mmNATO and .38spl/.357magnum handguns at 3"x5" cards on targets at 30 feet. ;)

Reseach by the LAPD found that 28ft was the average range for a MOS(member of service) shooting.

In general most armed citizens will be in critical incidents in extremely close ranges(3-6 feet). I say remember the 3x3x3 rule; 3 rounds at 3 feet in 3 seconds.

When I go to the range I shoot at about 30 feet but practice at 3 feet or contact range too. It's good to know exactly how you & your weapon will work at both distances.

[tackdriver]

Unfortunately, the nearest all-weather range is more than an hour away and I don't get to shoot as much as I'd like. I like to start out at three yards from low ready with the failure-to-stop drill to see how rusty I am and to build my confidence. From there, almost everything is at 7 yards. I do a little at 15 and 25 to see what I can wring out of my pistol.

I believe what you are referring to is the "21 foot rule." The 21 foot rule states that at a distance of 21 feet, an agressor with a knife, other handheld weapon, or fists can close that distance in 1.5 seconds, and it takes the defender 2.0 seconds to fire a well placed shot from the holster. The 2.0 seconds for a well placed shot is defined in the situation as trained police officer pulling the gun from the holster and placing a shot at center mass.


If I can see someone coming from 7 yards with a knife or other weapon in his hands, that's a feets-don't-fail-me-now situation (so long as I'm alone). The rule is only true if you stand still. A good trainer will teach you to create or maintain that distance (in other words, draw on the move), look for obstacles to put between you and/or to change the angle of attack.

[12gad]

handguns at 20 yards :)

[Stevie-Ray]

Most of my practice is done at 7 yards; the longest distance in my present house. With my new house, I'm going to have to open it up to 15 yards or so to be comfortable. Last few times I went, I've done 7 yards, 10 yards, 12 and 15 yards and getting better at it.

[ZeTurk]

12-20 yards with pistol.

[BigJimP]

I primarily practice at 4 distances ... 10 Feet, 15 Feet, 21 Feet and 30Ft.

Anything tactical beyond 30 feet makes little or no sense to me. Beyond 30 Ft, in my opinion - is a bullseye practice session / not tactical.

Most of the time, I'm drawing from a holster - double taps, triple taps - mix in some reloads - and double taps, etc ...( keep everything in the A zone ...on an IPSC target ).

[spacecoast]

The only advantage I can see for practicing at distances further than 7 yards is that it makes 7 yards seem a whole lot easier :)

[stevieboy]

I always start at 10 yards, slow fire. My object is to get a group of 2" or less all in the 10 ring. Once I've achieved that, I move the target out to 25 yards and try to put everything in the black. I don't always succeed, but I'll fire four or five groups at that distance. I usually end by bringing the target back to 10 yards and working on rapid fire accuracy. With a 6-shot revolver that means 6 shots in 6-7 seconds, with my objective again to put everything in the 10 ring.

[vytoland]

25 to 30 feet, DAO, single handed grip, with the left or right hand.

[booker_t]

In his non fiction book Rogue Warrior, Richard "Dick" Marcinko(CDR, US Navy retired) the founder & first commanding officer of SEAL-6(now called DEVGRU/Development Group) wrote that the SEAL team members would shoot .45acp, 9mmNATO and .38spl/.357magnum handguns at 3"x5" cards on targets at 30 feet.

Marcinko is an interesting cat. Indeed, many SWAT/SRT style teams will practice with 3x5 cards, but they start close. and work their way out. They might start training at as close as 2 or 3 feet from the target, with 3x5 cards at CM and OC, and have to put 5 rounds in each card. Then move out to 5 feet, 10 feet, and keep working out. Very similar to improving your jump shot.. you don't start at the 3-point line.

Consistently being able to spit 5 rapid shots in a 3x5 card at 10 yards with anything 9mm or larger is very good shooting.

[Dave R]

I guess I'm like most people here. Most of my handgun shooting is at 7-15 yards.

However, I like to shoot all my handguns at 100 yards, just to see what's possible. My 9mm's and .45acp I can pretty much get "on paper" at 100 yards. The P-3AT--no way.

I also like to practice draw from concealment and getting the first round on target as quickly as possible. I do that with plastic training bullets in my garage. Most ranges won't let you practice from draw, with good reason.

[spankaveli]

3 ft to 50 ft (that's how far the indoor range close to me goes.)

[master111400]

I never even though to attempt to put a target out past 25 yards. I normally will practice at 25 yards on a steel target and as close as 5 feet. I do not put myself on a schedule when I go to shoot. I am doing it to build up my skill and ability to shoot fast and accurate at the same time. Next time I go to the range (Nov) I will have to put that target out a bit farther!

["JJ"]

Last time I went to shoot I stretched out to 30 yrds.
I didn't do to bad.:o I will get better with time!!
Most was at 12 & 15 yrds. But it was cool reaching out a bit!!:}
"JJ"