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Daves-got-guns
December 9, 2006, 08:09 AM
i like the looks of this gun, and its sposed to hold alot of that smokey stuff. Any info out there?

LEE3370
December 9, 2006, 08:52 AM
I love the looks of the R&S also. I had never had one in my hands before I bought my first one. Bigger than I had thought, wouldn't fit in the holster for my Remington.
Can't have just one, so I had to get another.
They have a short hammer stroke and that seems odd for a while but now I like it. You do have to shift the revolver in your hand to cock it if your hands are small like mine.
I am old and have bad eyes so I shoot just for fun not for guoups.
Wrists are old and weak so I don't use heavy loads, 20-25 grains under a round ball and 6 grains of Unique in the 45 long colts (oh yes, had to have an R&D conversion cylinder for them).
I think everyone should have a pair of them.
Got a pair of Starrs on the way now.
Lee


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Daves-got-guns
December 9, 2006, 08:19 PM
thanx lee! how much did those fine lookin shooters cost? and do you know how much they hold safely with bp?

LEE3370
December 11, 2006, 07:45 AM
Howdy,
I got both revolvers and the conversion cylinder off Gunbroker.com. Three different auctions. Everything, shipping and all, came to $512.00.
I have no idea what the max safe charge would be, I can't shoot with a heavy recoil, bad wrists.
Lee

mec
December 11, 2006, 11:19 AM
I found a bill on my credit card for $339 this morning. This was something of a surprise because it is a back order from dixie gunworks. I ordered it in late october and they had to send to Italy to get it. I expected a much longer wait as the Italians are reported to take off the entire months of August and December. Anyway, Its on the way and that's what it cost.
Now to find out if those spare parts Dixie lists are actually in stock.

LEE3370
December 11, 2006, 11:48 AM
Hey Folks,
To buy Euroarms revolvers and parts, try here,

http://www.ssfirearms.com/


They have had everything I have ordered and a lot cheaper than Dixie.
Lee

mec
December 12, 2006, 09:22 PM
It came in today and I shot it with dillon thomas-like intensity. results here:
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=240556

I also called Euroarms America and was told that they import the guns and then send them to their distributors. Two of them are :
The Regimental Quartermaster
49 Steinwehr Ave.
Gettysburg, PA 17325
717-338-1864
http://www.regtqm.com/
Euro Arms USA distributor.

S&S Firearms
74-11 Myrtle Ave, Glendale NY 11385
718-497-1100
http://ssfirearms.com/
Euro Arms USA distributor
as mentioned.

It turned in some good results, hitting close to point of aim except when the 8+pound trigger pull caused me to push the groups to the right. I shot it 60 + rounds without any cleaning. (used felt wads from Eastern Maine Shooters supply). Throughout, it handled caps with no jams and never did bog down from fouling.

marcseatac
December 21, 2006, 05:00 PM
If Mec has one of these, I want one too! It's going to be a great Christmas holiday I have 3 guns coming actually got the Rodgers and Spencer today. I will put in a good word for S&S Firearms from the links above. Ordered it last week and it arrived in great shape today and at a good price. It strikes me as being a heavy duty BP revolver and man the loading lever is smooth as can be. One more day at work then some shooting!!!!!

mec
December 21, 2006, 05:29 PM
The other place lists them as Out Of Stock. I believe you did good mentioning S&S a while back. They were confirmed as a major supplier by Euroarms America. The R&S will fit the same holsters as a 58 remington but weighs several ounces more. Also, the R&S has screws connecting the load bearing parts of the seating apparatus instead of the little bitty pins on the remington.

marcseatac
December 22, 2006, 06:05 AM
A few things I notice about the R&S, the hammer angle strikes square against the nipple. The loading lever will never fall under recoil (because of the way they made it), and it has a very wide hammer looking at it from the back and a very fat trigger. I like a wide trigger. I like this pistol a lot.

marcseatac
December 22, 2006, 07:18 PM
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Steve499
December 22, 2006, 11:08 PM
That's a good looking pistola! I'm about half convinced to call one of the Phils at S&S and order one. I'm impressed with the Euroarms rifle I got from S&S and they are a great bunch to deal with. Anyone know what the chambers and bore measurements are on the R&S?

Steve

Vinagre
December 23, 2006, 12:22 AM
Good evening Gentlemen and Happy Holidays,

Here is a related link for this fine handgun:

http://www.davide-pedersoli.com/ArmiCategoria.aspx?CategoriaId=60&lang=en

38splfan
December 23, 2006, 05:53 AM
wouldn't fit in the holster for my Remington

Looks like lots of fun. Does anyone know where holsters might be found to fit this beastly wristbreaker?

Have narrowed it down (partly based on this thread) to an R&S or a Walker sometime this spring.

mec
December 23, 2006, 07:20 AM
Steve, as close as I can read a caliper, the chambers are .448-49 with the bore about .44. Just about like Pietta measurements. The .451 round balls fit very well.
The revolver fits the slim jim I use for Colt army/navy and the remingtons.

Steve499
December 23, 2006, 07:58 AM
Thanks, mec. My resistance is further weakened upon learning I wouldn't need to add an additional mold to my mold pile.

Steve

mec
December 23, 2006, 08:20 AM
My resistence to them came from several directions. I had swollowed the story about none of them being used until bought by bannermans in 1901. The story about several hundred being sold to civilians in the 1860s made them more interesting.

I had a very hard time finding one as their distribution in the United
States is not nearly as wide as the Ubertis or Piettas. It made me wonder if spare parts were available at all. The good news here seems to be this S&S firearms company as it sounds like the customers are well satisfied. ArmiSport America may be a secondary source for guns and parts but they prefer to work through distributors and arn't set up for credit card sales and such. I looked up the other source they gave me and found that they list the R&S as " Out of Stock."

marcseatac
December 23, 2006, 12:35 PM
I think any holster that would fit a Ruger Blackhawk would be a perfect match for the RS. FWIW

S&S Firearms sent me a copy of their catalog, they list every part for the RS. Nipples 1.50, cylinder w/nipples 80.00 that's understandable looking at the amazing cuts they made around the nipple ports. I'm a machinist by trade and I'm still trying to figure out how they did that!

marcseatac
December 23, 2006, 01:02 PM
I ordered mine from S&S after this thread was started and I already have it in my fat little hand! Ha Ha, anyway it's a tough choice between a Walker or a Dragoon and the RS, good thing I have both.:)

Steve499
December 23, 2006, 03:10 PM
So.... tell us how it shoots and if it has a heavy trigger like mec's does. You guys are killing me!


Steve

marcseatac
December 23, 2006, 03:53 PM
Since I'm a post whore and the weather stinks today I'll give you guys the good the bad and the ugly on this pistol.

First of all the trigger on mine is great! Sorry mec. I haven't fired it yet but using one finger to catch the hammer and pulling the trigger with my other hand it breaks light guessing about 4 lbs, no creep at all, it breaks like a glass rod. I would call this a target trigger. It's as light or lighter than my Rem or Colts.

One thing I disliked was after removing the grips I found that the inside of the grips were bare wood no stain or hint of any kind of finish on them at all.

The grip frame and trigger guard are removable via 3 screws which is nice instead of the 5 like a Colt. I was walking around with the gun cocking and releasing the hammer (simulated break in) and found there are some seriously rough edges on the trigger guard that can be uncomfortable with continuous handling.

I think the reason this weapon never gained popular acceptance is to remove the cylinder, 2 opposing screw heads have to be simultaneouly loosened. I accomplished this using the screwdriver end of a nipple wrench and a gunsmith screwdriver. On the good side however the loading lever and the cylinder arbor are all connected and remove together in one assembly.

The cylinder itself is a marvel! Inside looking down to the bottom of the cylinders they remind me of the combustion chamber of a Dodge Hemi, that's right, it's a hemi!:) The nipples are set off the center line and at a pretty good angle. The nipples themselves make Colt nipples look like garbage. They have a long threaded screw and a very well machined shoulder that matches a mirror finished spot face in the cylinder.

Then they cut an amazing shape around the nipple port that I think has to do with what mec was saying about the cap jams. It looks to my eye like they took a ball nosed endmill and positioned the cylinder on a 15 degree block and plunged the endmill down and in on an arc radius tangent to the circumferance of the cylinder. It's beautiful!!! That's all I can say, and it's very smart engineering.

When everything is removed from the frame the frame itself appears simple in terms of shape and easy to clean. They did a great thing with the hammer slot. The hammer is wide and has a lot of weight but they cut a very small slot in the frame not much wider than a cap actually, and the hammer is machined thin in this area accordingly. What is ingenious about this is there is no where for fouling or gasses to go except sideways up or down. This should go a long way to keeping dirt out of the hammer and lockwork.The hammer has a very nice diamond knurl with a "V" border. Very nice!

The front sight bead is cool, it's light colored brass or copper and it's easy to see. I think the sight groove in the frame is way to small, but I am witholding judgement until I actually shoot it.

To me it seems this gun was designed by people who were tired of the things that plagued Remington and Colt revolvers. The gun has weight, it feels much more substantial than the others. I don't know why but I think Ruger Blackhawk when I handle it (I used to own a .41 mag). I'm really glad this thread came along because I had no knowledge of the R&S and now I am the proud owner of one. If I had the money that Pedersoli sure looks nice!

Anyway Merry Christmas to all the Blackpowders out there and Happy New Year! May the new year bring you the best!

marcseatac
December 23, 2006, 05:24 PM
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Steve499
December 23, 2006, 06:17 PM
Thanks for the information, marcseatac. I'm becoming seriously concerned about the domestic tranquility around here if I buy another gun right now, but....

Steve

mec
December 23, 2006, 09:58 PM
a small nother thing. The spare front sights they sell on the Dixie GW site are threaded . This is kind of neat since most replicas front sights are just pressed in.

drdirk
December 24, 2006, 09:19 AM
Merry Christmas guys: I also have a Rogers and Spencer BP gun in addition to my two Ruger Old Army revolvers. Before I bought it, I had posted a few questions on this forum but got very little feedback. Nothing bad mind you, but nothing great either. So it took me a while to guy it anyway since I liked the looks of it and since almost everybody has a 58 Remington, I went for the R&S.

I bought mine from Dixie with the target sights. Was pretty disappointed at first since the gun shoot about a foot high even with the rear sight all the way down. Called Dixie and they replaced it. The next one is great. Very accurate with 25 grain of Pyrodex and 777. It is a BIG gun, but I like it. To me a BP pistol should look nice as well and the bigger the better :p

Don't use a hoster for it since it is mostly for target shooting with my cup of coffee next to me on a quiet Sunday morning.

Also bought a Conversion Cylinder for it and again, with my handloads it is very accurate and pleasant to shoot. I make a light load of 200 gr L-SWC
with around 6 gr of Win 231. Works great, accurate and no recoil.

Overall I am very pleased with this gun. Not sure why it never caught on as much as the 58 Remingtons. To me it seems to be the better gun. Would be cool if somebody made one in stainless!

Overall I still think the Ruger is the better made gun but the R&S is better looking in my opinion. Both shoot very well so I can't really say which one I like better. Bought the R&S new for about the same as my used Ruger's in very good condition.

Happy shooting!

mec
December 24, 2006, 11:36 AM
May not have caught on as big because there is a misconception that none saw use in the 19th century. Also, it is harder to find euroarms products than uberti and pietta. Nevertheless, the euroarms as well as the finwerbau are very popular among serious shooters here and in Europe.

c&bc96
December 26, 2006, 04:59 PM
Here are photos of an original R&S converted to .44 American cartridges.
Jerry